Marijuana as wonder drug

[RobbieGanjaSeed]

I know what you mean about the done withdrawal. I had my first withdrawal without knowing I was having it if you can believe it. I was on it for a while, not big doses back then, just 20mg. Then I slowly tapered down to ten mg, and then stopped suddenly.

I was spewing until all I had was phlem, I mean weeks of spew , spew, spew. bone aches like mad... I felt like killing people that got in my way..I was completely unaware of withdrawls in those days, and the doctors thought it best to not tell me. That somehow if I didn't knwo about it, it wouldn't happen. bastards.

 

My next Withdrawal was another sudden cold turkey affair, I had no choice. I was doing fens, and oxy. 2 x 100ug patches and a hundred iR oxy . Suddenly i got really sick, couldn;t eat for weeks, all I could smell and taste was the fens. So I took the patches off, and mad did thathurt. i went three days before I relaised it would be a full week of this before I started to pick up. my wife is only a tiny thing, but she literally carried me into the doctor who immediately laoded me with morphine.

the longestthree days of my life, in ways that only another weirdo can understand. My wife sat next to me massagingmy joints around the clock, the only thing that ever helps me is long walks. Cold showers do, but for some reason it takes sooo much motivation to gohave one. It's not like it's abig deal, but you knwo what I mean.

 

Since then it's all been "up", or is that "down"?

 

I'm down now to 320mg oxy a day, which is an amazing drop from 880mg oxy a day. I had given up on life and was knocking up 60 x 8mg dilaudid a week aswell, and doing ten IV injections of 10mg val. I was inda suicical I think. Not actually attempting to kill myself, but curious to see how far it could go. I saw no way of ever getting free, and didn;t want to live life out on gear, so instead of going down, I went up. weird huh.

 

now I do no dilaudid, and have just finished my first pack of 5mg val (oral) in 6 months. I withdrew from all that (2000mg equiv. down to 320oxy) all without any val, sleeping tabs, nothing. I had a real bitch of a doctor.

 

I ended up with blood pressure of 150 odd over 128, they thought I was about to pop, so they actually increased my dose (i was trying to stay on 240mg oxy a day) to the 320 a week or two back, and have suspended all withdrawal indefinately. They lost a patient comming of Heroin in the DDU the other day through blood pressure creeping up. Initially they tell ya "no-one dies from opiate withdrawal", na, it's the high blood presure and subsequent heart attack that kills ya. play on words ey?

 

I dream of one day being free. I almost lost it a few weeks ago (which is why the val). I had fixed my mind that I would get off the gear before the new school year and go back to study, that failed, blood pressure throguht the roof, craving like a loon, pain literally making me get around the house on my hands and knees half the time...The ralisation I wasn't going to get off nearly crushed me. I was waiting for the post opaite depression (been there before), and it just wasn't happening. i was thinking I was going to get out ofthis cheaply this time, then bang!

Still got it, soul sucking depression like nothing can be compared huh.

 

Anyway, you getting off hte done gives me hope. When I build up strength again I might try and get off thelast 320, but at least as Isiad, I don't hit the dillies anymore, and rarey do an oxy the wrong way.

 

Unreal to think it feels like yesterday 5mg endone felt like a million bux.

 

cheers

rob

[pacificrim]

dude i'm astounded @ how much pharms u take.

i would never get off drugs if my docs' let me take that much gear.

imo the only way u will get off is to demand no docs give u the pharms & check urself into a good withdrawl clinic that'll let u taper at their request.

the ones that wont even give u a single valium when u are prepared to beat urself to death are worse than a prison cell.

i think its easier to get off street drugs than pharms for many obvious reasons.

i feel for u dude but i gotta admit i'm jealous u can get such decent amounts of high end pharms.

[RobbieGanjaSeed]

Yeah mate, 6 months without a sedative, comming down off that lot to what I'm on now. the doc I had was a hindu, and she reckoned suffering is good for you. I had myself cornered with her for a while and couldn't get another doctor, simply because I was so totally FXXcked up, I was in no presentation to be asking another doctor for assitance. I wasn't like that when I first saw the woman, but it didn't take long. to become that way.

 

The DDU guys don't suggest valium with ya withdrawal, but they tell you on the sly that it's only because it's a matter of principle, they are in theory against all drugs of addiction, and a recent (maybe just got through) vote made it their charter to deny not only valium, but even cigarettes while withdrawing!

Of course they can only control the cigarettes while in-house, and I said "so waht" at first. Then the look on my DDUs face triggered my memory at how I felt when I gave up cigarettes. Then it hit me how devestating it must be to a smoker to not only be suffering withdrawals of opiates, but nicoteine aswell..poor sods.

 

anyway, my guy at the DDU tells me that they don't suggest it doens't mean the GPs can't prescribe it, and they rely entrely on their descretion on the matter to do so.

 

this is where not only my opinion of GPs is solidly set on disapointment, but if you read some of the emails I have from the DDU, in response to me begging them to force my GP to prescribe something/anythign for the anxiety...and their4 response being they can't actually tell her to do so, and the amount of times they come across GPS who have no idea of what they're doing is frustrating to them more so than I. Maybe more frustrating, but certianly not more painful.

 

My GPS versioon was "well if they didnt suggest it, I can't prescribe it. I told then the way it is, she said they should write that to her, yet of course that was the original problem in the first place.

 

Incredibly this extened even to maxalon. I asked and asked for some, to stop those early morning spews, from going hard overnight, waking and not able to keep the first dose down at all. So up ya nose, ya backside.anywhere. So no maxalon either, why not? Because suffering is good for ya! She honestly believed this crap. I made a trip intot eh DDu specifically to get trhem to get me some maxalon, they wrote her aletter saying it was completely reasonible to prescribe the stuff, and that was it. That was what ultimately made her sack me. that I forced her hand infuriated her so much. She claimed withdrawal symptoms would not continue for 6 months, that it should have settled down by then. Taht'd be fine I said, if I had actually finsihed the withdrawal, but it makes no sense to say such a thing while still actually drying out.

 

Last week or so ago I watched an interview with the journo that exposed dr. pattel, the guy they called dr. death. The journo said it was reasonible the gov made the mistake of hiring him, in as much as he at least was qualified. he saod that during his research into pattel, he discovered a dozen people pracrticing as doctors who weren't even qualified, and without him spelling it out, it seemed like many of them were from the upstairs medical school of calcutta.

 

She was just being hard to get along with. I told her that her autonomy as a prescribing dcotor is not overturned by the suggestions of another doctor, so long as those suggestions don;t conflict..but again, she was into this "suffering is good for you".

Imagine going through this crap while dropping a dose like this? I was literally shaking with the anxiety of each visit, just wondering what antagonsim wouldbe experienced this time.

 

i came off at a single drop in the first week at 240mg oxy , all dillies off, and all valium..all while moving house.

My next drop (in fact the first drop took 2-3 weeks), was 160mg drop, and I took it slower from there. i was in a constant state of insanity, screaming pain.

 

My GPS told me I was of weak character because I shoudl be able to do it quicker.

 

I changed GPs just a few weeks back, she sacked me! I took up with her boos int he smae surgery, the frst thing she did was giveme some valium, told me to slow down and stop being silly. Not to rush. Thank God for small mercies huh.

 

6 months like that mate.

 

I'm over it now though, I will never attamept to get like that again. I have done as you said and told all my GPS to not give me what I want anymore. My back's inoperable and so I tend to get what I want in meds. Buthaving said that, as I told you they increased my dose the other day. Maybe this is as low as I qwill ever get again.

 

The whole madhouse sky high doses was an attempt to die. I couldn't (and still can't) deal with going from a very active life to being a friggin cripple. Overweight, unable to enjoy bushwalking, camping etc. Never go for a run again, lost years of good quality time with the kids through being laid up.

I just wanted to curl up and die, but I didn't want to do the classic OD suicide.

 

real head job, and I don't pretend it wasn't feeling sorry for myself, it was a baby routine, and I have taken years off my life for it perhaps. But just the same, I defy anyone cop pain24/7 that stops their life dead in their tracks, leaves one with no oncome, so have to watch ya kids suffer for every single cent they wopuld like for things they should feel free to have, and see your wife work late shifts as a cleaner with her own pain issues..and not feel sorry for yaself.

 

But it wasn'ty the answer, I'm amazed I lived througght it, and although I feel as though I'm virtually drug free, 240mg oxy a day is still quiet a high dose to be sustaining.

 

 

I wrote all this in a submission to the NSW gov when they were asking for such, when Prof Hall was trying his guts out to get grass legalised for pain. I was put on the nod for approval un-officially, as soona s it all went through, but of course it all fell through instead.

 

bastard politicians.

 

anyway, guys like us have learned a thing or two. One thing I've learned is prohibition is a killer. if I couldn't have got that stuff for free, imagine the crime I would have been forced into to survive? These should be such solid arguements for grass to at least be trialed for pain, medical treatments in general..it's just so madening. To have so much opiate sin the house, not only enough to kill myself, but enough to potentially kill every person, my wfe, my kids and myself and still have some left over- yet be told grass is dangerous is so incredible.

 

Here's a pic I took. I was on poppies org and a bloke wouldn't believe I had access to as much 8mg dillies as I said. In fact he claimed they only went as high as 4mg.

So I stacked up what bottles I had on hand, as I'd begun to collect them. i thought they might be handy some day for fishing hooks or something. My doc gave me three bottles (20 per) each week of these onto of the oxy. (11 x 80mg a day).

 

cheers

rob

[pacificrim]

....nice pic.

 

re' the doc saying "it's good to suffer".

i had a vietnamese doc who, when i went to him mid-withdrawl for some valium(etc), explained to me that after the vietnamese war they took all the junkies to the jungle & made them break rocks in the sun which sweated the drug out of them over time.

he said it like i should start lifting iron & running marathons to "sweat it out" like the rock breakers did.

 

i went nuts & told him to go break some friggen rocks himself (etc etc) coz i just wanted s'thing to help me get sleep after 3 days being wide awake & in pain.

he told me i wasn't commited to getting clean & sent me away w nothing.

a few weeks of pure hell later i got myself off bupe by smoking enough weed to fill my house.

 

i went & told him how i got clean (despite his ridiculous suggestion i go on some hard labour mid-withdrawl).

he then told me i'd have as hard a time quitting weed, i told him i'll never quit weed coz it keeps me sane & hard-drug free, he looked at me like i'd admitted i commit indecent acts on farm animals.

 

i don't even go to docs when i'm just plain sick these days............i have to every now & then due to me being on a disability pension but unless i'm dieing i don't go of my own accord.

 

wish u the best man, all i can really say that isn't "that" hard to do is not shoot the oxys (just take orally) coz "i've seen the needle & the damage done".

 

(haha.....Neil Young quote in case u missed it).

Edited March 15, 2007 by pacificrim

[Jess Stone]

Shite Robbie those pics of your legs look dodge,are you sure its an allergic reaction? Deep Vein Thrombosis does that sort of thing to your leg as does the far less dangerous Thrombo-Phlebitus ,I hope you got it checked by a quack and I hope your recovering what ever caused it.

[RobbieGanjaSeed]

Yeah, not bad hey.

It's what I was mentioned in the intial post of this thread, and what I was responding to as being a sufferer of. AThe article suggested pot as a good alternative to opaites, calling grass a wonder drug. Seeing as it's virtually untreatable (although there's a miriad of ways to get this problem), it's supposed people out to be aboe to treat themselves with grass, instead of relying on opaites. or else one might end up fucked up like me. It's a great point.

 

I can't define for you exactly what to call it, as i was trying to explain before to someone, the diagnoses of nerve injuries has a lot of grey area, but these (the present condition of my legs) are nothing to as bad as they can be. I can tell you for sure it's not thrombosus, not a blocked vein in any way, it's not cellulitis, or any other of the common fist choice diagnoses doctors reach for.

 

I've spent more time on my back having tests done than I care to recall, and the general call from everyone concerned is"neurotrophy/reffered pain disorder/nevre damage" etc etc..

If I had a million dollars and was famous there'd be a very specific name attached to it, and I would expect it'd be very exciting to hear.

 

It's presently being proven that a person with severe nerve pain can suffer the same kind of "atrophy" in the brain, so it definately needs to be relieved somehow, and given the reluctance (rightfully so) of using opiates on long term patients, surely people ought to be able to use gras if it helps them. It won't help everyone BTW, but if it does, why the hell not? I mean can anyone really be copncerned about side effects to people from grass, who are already in this much mess? It's as much evidence as anyone needs to prove bias, and not science dictates what medicine we recieve.

 

But here's a site that gives a pretty close explanation to what happens to nerves that don't get released. There's many reasons one can get this disorder, "pinched nerve" is at the top of the list on this site I'll post, and is what I'm suffering. neurotrophy

Here's another that explains why what I said before might have attracted some doubt. These matters are never as black and white as people might think.My Webpage

My Webpage

 

If you understand the co-relation between the supposed (I believe it) protectionand even repair that marijauna cuases to nerve sheaths, then you can see in this article why the author of the initial post here mightconsider grass a "wonder drug" for neurotrpahy. wonder drug nevre sheath repair?

 

 

 

I've got a back injury of several damaged discs which they won't (at least so far) operate on, as it's likely to leave me in a wheelchair; one of the discs is so far shoved into the spinal canal, they just want to leave it..I've also got a benign tumor on one of the side bones of my spine.

 

I know people tend to roll their eyes when they hear someone has a bad back. (I've spent my whole life being suspected by one and all from employers to mates needing a lift with something heavy at times, to social security), and people's eyes roll even further back when opiate use is mentioned along with it, as if "o yeah, we all know about this stuff. Read it in the women's weekly and all"; but they don't allow a person so much opiate as I've been on without some reason, and this is it I'm afraid is one of the symptoms of my back damage.

 

Usually it's pain with pins and needles, and I don't mean those senations that feel funny. I mean like green ants biting my lower legs all day and night. I don't sleep much at all when it's flared up. But the left leg's much, much worse, withthe upper outer thigh now having what I was trying to describe earlier, as being like a burning sensation. I mean BURN. It hurts with the genlest touch, like a soft evening breeze is nice for most, unfortunately I'm on the ground in ecruiating pain wanting to scream. That's a real bastard that one, as there's no visible injury there at all, and so is almost impossible to have people believe ya. I have lignocaine injections for the thigh, but really,. nothing works. So my whole left leg is fucked up, and amputation does get spoken of from time to time. I hope it never happens of course, I couldn't imagine being any more crippled than I am, and still wanting to go on.

 

cheers

rob

 

PS. The infection's been so bad I ended up with a variation of staph that almost couldn't be treated. Spent the few days around xmas in Redcliffe hospital, sent me home with some meds, and got a call back a couple days later tellling me I had to go back. I asked when would they like that (thinking when the holidays settled), but they wanted me back immediately. Some extra tests they'd had come back showed this staph I mentioned. That was a worry that time. But they cleared it up in the end. It's worse in summer than winter (and more common), because it gets so damned hot! My wife sometimes runs relays of soaking damp towels in the freezer and draping htem over my legs when it gets out of control.

 

anway, we all have shite in our lives huh.

 

cheers

[pacificrim]

hey robbie, i feel ur pain man, i broke my back (amongst other things) & the only good thing that has come of it is a few grand in an out-of-court settlement.

even that i screwed up, i should have held out for the big bucks.

i totally nailed 3 vertabrae (L3,L4,L5).

i was young+stupid , saw the $ signs & just took the 1st offer.

now i regret it.

 

anyways rob, i'm gonna pm u about that other stuff we talked about.........has been one of those weekends,sorry..............i wanna fill u in on what i think would really help u out.

i can't type my thoughts eñ masse like u can, better at just talking, but i'll get my ish together coz i really think i can help u out or at least give u s'thing to seriously consider.

 

check u soon man.

Edited March 18, 2007 by pacificrim

[RobbieGanjaSeed]

Hey mate, I know them vertabrae very well, right down to S1, the bastards.

I know no amount of money will make things right, and I imagine missing out on every cent must sting, but I have never got a cent, and never will I imagine.

 

Thing is, the first time I had an "episode" was at 13 years old. I know exactly what happened to do the damage, and it's just deteriated from there. Working hard all my workinglife has just ground it more andmore andmore, to where I spent most of my life in so much pain, but too afraid to ask a doctor for fear of accusation I ened up screwed.

 

when I first saw a specialist for my back, i was 20 years old. In those days, they were suspicous that everyone with a claim to back injury was on some course of action whee they just wanted to sue. No Ct scans in those days, no MRI, just xrays and they showed decent spacing at that time, and no more investigations, and always accusations, as Isaid, in the belief it was all a con.

 

Now, it's all changed. I go into see a spcialist, they ask me "where's your claim number, it's no ton your notes". "I don't have a lcaim" I tell them. "Well, where's the private insurance number?" "don't have that either, been in pain since before i even began work, how would I ever afford such luxury?"

Well, what do you want me to do? I can't do anything without a claim of some kind. isn;t there ANYBODY you can sue?"

 

And so it goes now days. Each and every specialist I've seen has done all they can to encourageme to pick the most likely job I had which coul dbe blamed, and sue them.

 

talk about the world turning around..

it's just not in my nature to do such a thing. What I find amazing is they call US criminals.

 

Every time I've gone down on a job, and had to be carried away, and the compo forms have had to be filled in, ...well I've never made a great liar. I was raised to always tell the truth and it'll go best for ya. So whebn it gets to the "has this inury existed before?" type thing..

 

yeah right..well regardless, I long ago admitted it as a previous injury to ever going to work, and it's noted as such. Social security is as wealthy as I'll ever be. Now that's shite.

 

cheers mate

rob

[freddie]

Robbie, I really sympathise with your problems. L4/5 S1 for me. An almost completely gone disc plus a protrusion hitting on a leg nerve. I am nowhere near as bad as you. Just wanted to concur that cannabis is a wonder drug as far as back pain goes, although i haven't found anything that totally takes the pain away. These type of injuries can really knock your life for 6, physically and mentally.

 

Have you ever been to a musculoskeletal specialist? It is a fairly new branch of medicine and i have found it helpful particularly for pain relief/management. I know sometimes there is nothing worse than people suggesting all sorts of different cures and stuff but if you want some details PM. Best of luck with it.

[RobbieGanjaSeed]

Yeah it can be a drag people always suggesting things, but only in the spirit the advice is given, you know what I mean.

You know I hadn't so much as heard of this branch of back work, and you're the second time I heard of it (actually suggested it) in two days.

You're not a lady on another web site are ya?

 

A nurse just last night (she sent the Pm weeks ago I just hadn't been to the site) suggested some such course. I'll havea look into , I suppose over the net first, just to piss the GPS off when I ask about it. Gee they hate it when we do some research for ourselves. I can imagine it does cause them some headaches with self diagnoses etc.. but it is our own lives huh.

 

Thanks for that mate.

rob