Cannabis' lost appeal

[Dave The Nefarious]

"One in three say dope's uncool"

Who cares what a minority group thinks

 

The National Drug AND Alcohol Research Centre ... they don't think alcohol is a drug? So much for the research.

[WantDaChronic]

"One in three say dope's uncool"

Who cares what a minority group thinks

 

The National Drug AND Alcohol Research Centre ... they don't think alcohol is a drug? So much for the research.

 

hehehe yeah why care if 1 in 3 people think marijuana is uncool, its that 2 out of 3 people who think its cool that we should focus on

 

seriously but all these anti drug campaigns do is create a bigger drug problem down the line after appearing to be beneficial to society it starts off with people getting so scared they wont try a drug or will quit which the government takes as success, but then a smart arse kid will take drugs infront of their friends at a party, have a really good time, not go crazy, not go and rape people, etc. and then that drug takers friends consider ALL the anti drug info spoon fed to them in their youth as bullshit...fucking stupid way about doing things imo

 

imo if they want cannabis to become socially unacceptable all they need to do is say that cannabis limits your social circle to people who only smoke cannabis, you can become so lazy that work, school, etc. mean nothing and all you want to do all day is sit around smoking bongs with a bag of doritos in hand hand with a bottle of coke in the other come to think of it, that sounds like a plan to me hehehe but in reality saying that wouldnt be lying like the government does now + once the people try marijuana and find themselves feeling lazy as with a bad cravings for chips and coke they'll freak and want to stay clear of the drug in the future

[DownUnderDoper]

Ahh here's a start... and on the same day too

 

PMH treating children aged 10 for alcohol abuse

19th February 2007, 6:00 WST

 

Children as young as 10 are ringing a hotline for help with their drinking problems and are being treated at Princess Margaret Hospital for chronic alcohol abuse, as new evidence emerges that kids are ditching cannabis in favour of booze.

 

The Alcohol and Drug Information Service revealed yesterday it had received eight phone calls in the past year from children aged between 10 and 14.

 

Recently the mother of an 11-yearold binge drinker contacted the helpline for advice on how to deal with her daughter’s problem.

 

In another instance, an hysterical 14-year old girl called because she was worried she had been raped after passing out during a heavy drinking session.

 

“Basically she blacked out at a party and it scared her because she woke up and couldn’t remember getting home,” an Alcohol and Drug Information Service counsellor said.

 

Binge drinking was more of a problem than alcohol dependency in children aged 10 to 16 but their smaller bodies meant alcohol poisoning was a real danger, the counsellor said. ’

 

A spokesperson for PMH confirmed children as young as 10 were treated for alcohol abuse.

 

St John Ambulance duty manager Michele Murdoch said officers had been forced to pump the stomachs of 10-year-olds who had drunk themselves unconscious.

 

The startling revelations prompted the National Drug Research Institute to warn that heavy drinking by children was a growing problem.

 

“For those under the age of 15 it’s definitely getting worse and it’s particularly bad among young women,” institute director Steve Allsop said.

 

The warnings came as a new study suggested cannabis was out of favour with young Australians, who see pot as socially unacceptable.

 

The Pfizer Australia Health Research report shows 50 per cent of people under 30 believe it can cause schizophrenia and anxiety orders, 40 per cent think it is always addictive and 68 per cent believe it can lead to other crimes.

 

JENNIFER CURTIS

 

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?Men...ContentID=21693

 

Hang on Pfizer Australia????

 

You mean the pharmaceutical company??? Well fancy that

 

Here it is.. I might read it later.. I feel slightly soiled... again.. thanks Mr Pyne

 

http://www.healthreport.com.au/Reports/33.pdf

Edited February 19, 2007 by DownUnderDoper

[DownUnderDoper]

OK.. in the interest of fairness and the fact that only picking the 'cherries' is exactly what I am accusing Mr Pyne of, I have just read "The Pfizer Australia Health Research Report (Issue #33 Australians & Cannabis February 2007)" and have to admit that in itself it's not too bad..

 

As is usually the case, the government relies on the fact that most people are too lazy/gullible/apathetic to even look at what these reports actually say and will just accept whatever they are told they contain.

 

 

A few quotes from the report:

 

 

At very high doses, confusion, delusions (beliefs not based in reality), and hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that aren’t really there) may also occur, but this is uncommon.

These symptoms are more likely to be felt by people who aren’t used to the effects of cannabis or have smoked more than they are used to.

These experiences do not usually last after the effects of the cannabis wear off, but can be very frightening, and may be enough to put some people off using cannabis.

Some people are more vulnerable to the psychological effects of cannabis than others. In people with a family history of severe mental illness, such as schizophrenia, or who are vulnerable to developing such problems, cannabis use might trigger psychotic symptoms or a psychotic episode.

 

 

There is evidence that cannabis may play a role in treating nausea, vomiting, wasting, pain and muscle spasm in cancer, HIV/AIDS, and neurological disorders. In Australia, such uses are prohibited by law and cannabis-based drugs are not registered for medical use.

 

Most interesting from a pharmaceutical company... wonder what they're researching

 

“There are no black and white answers with cannabis, only shades of grey. These subtleties are often difficult to communicate and can lead to misinformation being disseminated and a polarisation of views.

“This research clearly shows that it is important that the Australian public is provided with good quality information on the health and social impacts of cannabis.”

 

Good quality, honest, unbiased information.. otherwise the kids might start believing its safer to pop a pill or smoke some meth than smoke a joint... oh sorry... too late

 

Cannabis use is most common among people aged 18 to 25 years old. The frequency of use begins to decrease after this time. Most people who use cannabis don’t go on to use regularly, or develop problems with it.

 

But wait.. the government has 70% of kids believing that it's ALWAYS addictive.. best they stay with the pills.. maybe a nice safe dozen or so cans of alco-pop.

 

Most people who use illicit drugs, like heroin or amphetamines, first used drugs like alcohol, tobaccoor cannabis. These substances, but most usually cannabis, are seen as a 'gateway' to the use of other drugs.

However, the vast majority of people who do use cigarettes, alcohol or cannabis never use other illicit drugs. For example, while the majority of heroin users have used cannabis, only around 4 percent of cannabis users have used heroin.

 

But.. but.. but.. how can this be so.. 70% always addictive??

 

The link between cannabis and its effects on driving skills is less clear than that between alcohol and driving performance.

While some studies show that cannabis can affect certain driving skills, the role of cannabis in causing accidents is less clear.

 

I still say don't drive wasted

 

Unlike some other drugs, there have been no reports of fatal overdose due to cannabis poisoning.

While research shows that the short-term use of cannabis, like tobacco, is unlikely to lead to major physical problems in young, healthy people, those who have existing medical conditions such as obesity, asthma, bronchitis, high blood pressure or heart disease are particularly advised to avoid using the drug.

Cannabis use may increase the possibility of heart attack in people who have other risk factors such as obesity and/or cigarette smoking. Like cigarette smoke, the smoke from cannabis contains agents that increase the risk of cancer.

[Jess Stone]

Dum-de-dum-dom ........dummmm ! Guys,guys,guys you have missed the most pertinent fact (I think) and that is this

Of the 1500 adult Australians surveyed,

from this wankticle from the SMH

so 1500 hundred is a number that gives valid statistics relevant to the whole of Oz when "scaled up" . HaHaHaHaHaHaHa.... not enough,HaHaHa and these quarter wits (half a half-wit) are so full of it. Wankers with polling companies use even more rubbery dodgy pseudo maths than economists and accountants what utter BS and as I have been pushing for a long time and I'm right if some what crude in my expression of this,DTS is full of criticism of the like of what you expect me to call them but pa-ul said the words in a previous post of theirs about tools like pyne and dillon and pa-ul's words are my sentiments as well. I'm sure dillons article in the gay star observer which I posted about a short while back in relation to booze+MJ ,I think Niall may have turned up to have a dig at this quarter wit on elite DOLE,well I'm pretty sure that the pathetic little troll I was mainly arguing with was dillon under a pseudonym,they failed to post 2/3 of the replies I posted as its moderated before publish BS on "their" little website,gutless wankers(literally)

Edited February 19, 2007 by Jess Stone

[WantDaChronic]

i agree with you jess, 1500 people just isnt enough to be considered an opinion of an entire nation when it comes to surveys I think to get an accurate record on the australian opinion towards marijuana for the 14-25 year olds is to make the survey compuslary in high schools, universities and as part of the national census. Only then would they get a sufficient number of people to warrant calling marijuana socially unacceptable as a nation wide opinion, but only if the results reflected that opinion

 

i loved that pfizer study i think copies should be emailed to every politician in australia

[Jess Stone]

As well adults are surveyed but an adult category in a survey would be very unusual if not highly corrupting of results to be 14-25 year olds yet thats the target group they claim the survey represents ,so who the hell was actually surveyed or am I stupid and missing something?

But you reckon the Pfizer is worth a read? as I admit I wasn't that keen as I was convinced it was probably Anti-Cannabis-Nazi propaganda ,I'm a bad cynic as I've seen it all over the years and I've not much faith in Govs,Corporations,"experts" and their lies and backflips galore over the years.

Edited February 19, 2007 by Jess Stone

[pipeman]

yeah good point Jess I wonder how many times they conducted a 1500 person survey until they got the results they were looking for.

 

I also think WDC raised a very good point. The misinformation the government spreads about cannabis may cause kids to ignore warnings about other drugs that might actually be dangerous.

[Budman2012]

Good discussion so far ..

I think the point is that they never actually do any research at all on social smokers ..

I would bet that less that 1% of the people who have signed up at OS have ever been asked their opinion on the matter in an "official" scientific study .. let alone the other 100's of 1000's of Marijuana users in this country ..

Maybe they should consult the people who know about it ?? ...

 

Secondly .. I think that one of the main purpose for all of this discussion .. Is to help develop our own opinions aswell as the opinions of those around us ... I certainly see a change in peoples attitudes these days as I'm sure many do ..

The political propoganda is very obvious to most , this day and age .. kids aren't stupid .. It's just that stupid "adults" forget they aren't ..

Once the ignorant old cronies die out there will still be more to take their place .. but the goal as I see it is to decrease the percentage of ignorance , generation by generation .. therefore gradually establishing a well governed "society" with the hope of possibly acheiving civilization ..

 

Oops , I dare say I'm rambling .. but I guess I was basically trying to make the point that .. Education matters ... the truth is staring everyone in the face at all times .. but I agree that It's sometimes hard to see through all the layers of Bullshit ..

I would like to think people are waking up to the fact that we are being lied to .. I think they are ..

It's really very easy ..

 

I think I'll go to bed now .. Cheerz ...

 

Budman

[Pa-uul]

The misinformation the government spreads about cannabis may cause kids to ignore warnings about other drugs that might actually be dangerous.

Yeah. I notice I'm always worked up about my rights as a cannabis user etc etc, whenever I hear about this sort of thing, but what about the kids? I heard that young people can be more seriously damaged by alcohol than people over 25 years of age. Let's face it the two legal substances (alcohol and tobacco) are the most dangerous to the developing human, whether it be by the gestating mother with the unborn child or by the adolescent or the child. I suppose pot isn't ideal for children (!) but it's not in the same league when it comes to the developmental devastation. Just look at what's happening in Aboriginal communities. Having more people intellectually damaged by substance abuse would not help the cause of fostering correct and independent thinking in society, instead it would hinder it making more people pliable. Then there's the issue of speed.

 

Apparently Chris Pyne, that right-wing prohibitionist Liberal MP, has recently refused to put warning labels on alcohol products. Well, excuse me Mr Pyne but this shows to me your bigotry and one-sidedness.

 

He says he knows all about Alcohol Fetal Syndrome but believes that the general messages already out there in the public are a sufficient warning. Well, those ill-informed women in remote Aboriginal communities don't seem to know so why not ship a message with each bottle? Fuck, it might actually improve health outcomes for someone! Someone out there might actually have an improved health! Even if just one person is helped by this isn't this enough reason Mr Pyne? Spend a few more cents on the ink on the label, fucker!!! : Isn't that what the war on drugs is all about? Improving health outcomes??

 

So, why not? Because it will show that all drugs are dangerous to some extent or other and thus show the hypocrisy of this "war". Because they advertise it on TV and make revenue from alcohol and it's a national pastime. Because they drink it and it's sacred to them.

 

And thanks to DownUnderDoper again for his follow up comment with: all those quotes about what's actually in those reports; very enlightening.