My friend was telling me about her cousin, how he managed to get some bad weed and it was his first time, and his brain was apparently completely fried. Doesn't recognise anybody , no mental capabilities, etc..

Is that even possible? There would have to be some pretty insane stuff mixed in for that to happen.. or are we talking bad reaction [allergic/brain whatever] and it screwed him up? Or just a story, or something else...

Just kind of curious. Thanks.

Sorry if this is the wrong forum.. I can't find where else to put it.

seriously for that kind of reaction , i would assume alcohol was also involved

hang on.. so this stuff is regularly possible?

I have never, and I must repeat, never heard of a "cannabis psychosis" episode actually occuring. There is a heck of a lot of conjecture and bullshit out there about it, almost all of it is simply a scare campaign by those who hate "illegal drugs" and have something to gain by it.

If you're interested in the reality of cannabis and it's effects on the brain, positive and negative, (once again, it sounds like this is just a "story", with likely a lot of pieces missing) then check out the research on the subject. New Scientist has a good marijuana discussion area, with lots of links to research and lots of opinions from those who should know.

honestly i believe it exists but only due to other things being added....

like every1 has had fuel buds and in alotta cases pot laced with speed, e, herion, etc...most of the time we just dont know what we are smoking unless we grow the plants ourself and dont let any1 near the smoko at all....

my best mate a couple of years ago had this happen to him, i wasnt around to see it actually happen but my friends that were with him said that he was having troubles walking, fell on the middle of the road, passed out and after about 5 mins of laying their fucked outter his brain he woke up to having no knowledge of even who he was

seriously now, i didnt believe it at first...but after a full day of testing him (cruel to do i know but as a friend i had to know his mental state) i cam to the conclusion he was really fucked up in the head.....took about a month to get most of the shit back in his head but was seriously like a 18yo with a new borns knowledge....was really fucked up

all that he took that day was weed, got it from a new dealer and because of his mental state couldnt remember who the fuck he got it from and never spoke to the guy again (to my knowledge anyways)....shame really cuz i really wanted to know what coulda caused that kinda thing to happen.....

about the best i can say about that day was my friend was alone at the time he started smokin and when my other friends arrived he held out on them as there was only 2 cones left....woulda made some really bad news for the mj community if 20 ppl dropped like flies and then recovered with no memory of even who they are :-s

That's pretty bad. I guess this is another reason why many people want marijuana regulated and controlled [liberally] by the government..?

Believe. You haven't actually seen any confirmed, medically diagnosed cases of it have ya?




What's a fuel bud?


That's another myth that's moved out into the general public with little or no evidence to back it up. I don't actually believe that anyone would lace a drug like pot with these things without either doing it for themselves in a mull, (I've seen people smoke rocks of heroin on their cones before) or would be selling it at the biggest premium cost you could ever imagine. Think about it for a second, why would you use a far more expensive drug to "lace" another far less expensive one, when you're only going to sell it for the same price? Doesn't make sense... I've never seen any evidence that pot is laced with other drugs when bought from commercial dealers, nor have I ever seen any research which claims it exists authoritatively. All we have are anecdotes from somewhat, dubious sources.



That's true, but not in the way you're thinking. It's got more to do with what pesticides, fungicides and potentially harmful additives, (superbud etc) that some commercial growers are willing to place on their crops to ensure either maximum weight, yeild or appearance. Few of them would ever be concerned about the potential health concerns you'd have if you smoke buds treated with these substances, and to be truthful, some home growers don't really give a stuff either, which worries me. Home growers who do care about what they're smoking will often end up being quite conservative when it comes to applying such substances, but there are all kinds of growers out there.

So yeah, I'd be more concerned that the deal I bought was sprayed with mortein and treated through the whole cycle with fongarid than if I'm going to od from heroin or coke laced pot.



Sounds more like another anecdote with little or no basis to blame on weed. Y'know, that sounds more like a stroke than any kind of cannabis induced problem. Dopey bastard could have a blood clot in his brain. But yeah, sorry to say, but I think this isn't any evidence whatsoever for cannabis psychosis, just another story with no backing. Nothing personal in this mind, I just don't like seeing people get scared of something that has been used safely by society for several thousand years, with little to no adverse side effects. Well, the memory thing is something you could call adverse I suppose, but I personally think "the munchies" are the best darn side-effect of any drug on the planet.

I'd encourage all members to check out the New Scientist's Marijuana Special Report page, which you can reach through this link... http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/marijuana/

Laced weed doesnt exist and theres no evidence, so forget youve ever smoked any people.....
noone uses cheap shit like ketamine and crap like that for lacing weed so forget about it, shit passa water weed hasnt been sold for fucking 50 odd years, its just a fucking myth.... Ive never seen a single mention of laced weed in the greatest stoner mag in the world... new scientist...

:bow

Laced weed DOES exist and its getting more common.
The reason they do this is to retain customers by getting them hooked on the weed.

Theres ALOT of this happening around the place and especially in places like NZ where theres a fairly small market for weed.

Some cops in New zealand are purposely spraying the plants with systemic poisons and they only way that you can tell if this has been done is if your lucky enough to spot the blue shit all over your plants.

This is also one of the reasons that I grow my own, Im not risking poisioning myself.

Uh, yeah... any New Zealand residents want to comment on this? :whistling



Now that's something that's more likely to be true. Whether it would be "blue shit all over your plants" is debateable, but I have a feeling that such actions would occasionally still occur, and in the general commercial, and even personal growing market, there are many systemic insecticides and fungicides which are used, which could potentially cause problems if smoked. Fact is, we don't know. The pesticide companies aren't required to see what happens when someone smokes pot which has been treated with them.


But yeah, one of the reasons I grow my own is total control over the quality and knowing what goes into it. That's not for everyone of course, and it would be far better IMHO if we had a regulated commercial market for it, but that's another discussion.

I've only just recently stared smoking again after a 10ish year break so dunno what's been happening recently but... back in my heyday of smoking there was a lot of "talk" of really shit weed being sprayed down with fly spay to increase potency, I though it was just some bullshit rumor?

An old friend of mine had an psychotic episode (went on for a couple of days) after smoking one time, we just thought he was trying to be the life of the party by acting weird ... About 6-12 months afterwards he was diagnosed as schitzo... however the dude was alway on the edge and I reckon he was gonna crack anyway - this seems to be the concensus doesn't it?... some people are just gonna crack and something's going to "trigger" it... grass, alcohol, coffee, relationships, could be any fucking thing.

speaking of having laced weed around i dont actually know if this is true or not but i have heard rumour that at the moment there is some bad ass weed sprayed with mortein coming from sydney. can anyone give some info about this rumour ?

i reckon laced weed probly does exist in forms such as sprayed with mortein but probly not with harder drugs heroin/coke /e/ etc etc,

im still newish to the stoner thing only since febuary, but my close friend smoked a lot one nite and the doc says his emune system shut down then he got a cold i guess but it evolved into somthin else now he spits up blood and stuff , in 2 weeks if its still goin on there going to operate

my Q-tion to you guys is: how can u tell the Quality of your weed , and after a night of a few bowls is it uncommon to still be a little wonki in the morning , my 1st time i was working at Dominos Pizza and i nocked over the pizza boxes, i have better control now but still im thinking of quiting just becouse ive almost been caught so many times

Dude, there is no way that MJ caused your friends problems. MJ has been only spuriously linked to immune response previously by biased and skewed research methods and reporting. There is NO evidence whatsoever that MJ causes a depression of, or damage to the immune system of human beings. None.

If he's in hospital with pneumonia, (which is what it sounds like) I would suggest that it's possible he either obtained it completely separately and it merely attacked him at that particular time, or he may have caught the bug from sharing bongs without thinking about it. Do you drink from a cup when a guys coughing and sneezing? No, ya don't, and neither should you smoke from a bong which has been used in the same way.

I quote DEA Judge Francis Young in his 1988 findings,

link to findings...



No, it wouldn't be uncommon, the effects of MJ can still be noticeable for up to 12 hours after use, although it varies with dose, thc/cbd ratios in the smoke, and other factors.

I would suggest not smoking the night before you go to work, if you find yourself too zonked, perhaps even just smoking a little rather than a lot. If you don't wanna do that, I'd say you'll be looking for a new job soon.

You can't really tell much about quality until ya smoke it... although IMHO the best quality weed will be the stuff you grow yaself, because you know exactly what's been done to them, how they've been treated etc. You know there won't be any pesticides, fungicides, or whatever you don't want in your crop. That's the only way to be absolutely sure.

Smell is something, as is appearance, a sticky, trichome covered bud is more likely to get you totalled than a crumbly and clean one, but even then you can't really be sure till ya smoke it... Best bet is to just smoke one cone of it, wait a while, and judge how wasted you are after about 1/2 hour or so. You should only do this in a truly "straight" condition to get a good idea though, as if you're toasted from the night before, it may skew the feelings a bit.

Hope that helps mate, and yeah, I do sympathise for your mate, but I think the doctor who claims that MJ did that to him is a moron. Or evil.

Hi guy's it's been a while since my last visit,but I'd like to comment.
Psychosis of any sort can be precipitated by anything at all including the mortein sprayed onto plants for aphid control by money hungry know-it-alls who know nothing about botany,gardening or basic chemistry let alone respect.Which is where I assume the legend comes from ...just idiots growing to capitalise/control with absolutely no understanding or concern for the crops health let alone the consumers
Show me the money

On psychosis from cannabis use,the Rasta's use this as their sacrament because they have their head around aspects we don't and they use it to 'excess' in western terms at that.They see it is a unique way to the spirit world just like many cultures use many other plants the same way and as such need to be approached with respect and reverance for the uniqueness of the experience.Like any other psychedelic or 'god producing' 'key' it can unlock the door to 'nirvana' or 'hell' mostly driven by the mindset of the user....anybody had too many brownies?
Most westerners I feel don't ever or rarely do get a handle on their cannabis use and gain insight.Some have a real hard time integrating their first heavy session or green-out and that's where latent psychosis finds a tear in the fabric and shows up.In traditional cultures this would be dealt with by elders (counseling) and more 'drug' therapy(i.e. back on the horse..).Alas in the western world the 'elders' tell us to abstain and take a fuckin prozac??
(end of spit)

@Roadkill-just slow up a bit,if you're heart races after a smoke and your minds not on it next day then change your breed.
Indica's are good for those with panic type disorders-stay away from sativa dominants if you're depressed or have anxiety/panic disorder.

2C
Cheers...