While no responsible person would ever advocate the use of drugs for drivers, tests using a recently developed video game called Burnout have thrown up some surprise statistics.

The testers found that a moderate amount of cannabis actually improved driving performance among those they studied.

Results from another recent study apparently also show that people drive both faster and safer while under the influence of the drug.

A group of 20 drivers aged 21-40 were recruited for the Burnout study, all of whom had not previously owned a video games machine or described themselves of players of video games.

Ten of them smoked approximately 0.15 milligrams of cannabis, equivalent to about half a "joint".

The other half declared that they had not had any stimulant for at least 72 hours before the test.

They were then given a thorough demonstration of Burnout and were subsequently asked to take the controls and play the video game themselves.

Participants' skills at different elements of the game - reaction times, speed, concentration levels and road safety - were thoroughly analysed and evaluated.

The results showed that for those who had smoked 0.15 mgs of cannabis:
* 80 per cent demonstrated superior reaction times * 60 per cent finished a lap faster * 70 per cent experienced a lower number of collisions * 60 per cent reached a higher level in the game.

The cannabis takers were then pitched against the non-cannabis takers in a head-to-head challenge on Burnout.

In this competitive setting, the cannabis users came out on top in eight out of ten of the match-ups.

The drivers under the influence of cannabis appeared to have more confidence in their ability and be much calmer. Burnout is aid to be "a fast-paced and adrenalin-stoked" game and the cannabis could have helped keep them in control of their nerves..

For the second stage of the experiment, the group who had already smoked cannabis smoked some more, increasing their total intake to about 0.58 milligrams, equatting to approximately two "joints". The driver performance on Burnout then showed a significant decrease.

With a total of 0.58 milligrams of cannabis in their system:
* 60 per cent demonstrated superior reaction times * 30 per cent finished the game faster * 40 per cent experienced a lower number of collisions * 20 per cent reached a higher level in the game.

In the second part of the challenges, the cannabis smokers won only three races against their non-cannabis counterparts, an indicator of worsening driving performance.

Simon smith Wright, Burnout's Communications Director, said: "The results of our test clearly show indicate that a small or moderate amount of cannabis is actually quite beneficial to someone's driving performance.

"Further amounts then tend to start to impinge on performance, although interestingly reactions times appear to best withstand the increased amount of the drug in the system.

"Obviously Burnout is a video game and whilst extremely realistic, we cannot claim that these findings translate to real life driving, nor are we encouraging anyone to try out the theory."

The RAC's position is that, in every circumstance, the drug is detrimental to anyone at the wheel.

Source: Evening News

very interesting...ive always thought that pot should to a degree be treated like alcohol. the biggest drama would be levels in the bloodstream/associated limits,(eg. .05) if we could get it legalized, what of the pot/driving situation?

JAIKAI

i dunno about you guys but when i drive stoned..........i'm so much more aware of what's going on, and it's alot more fun

Drug Driving Thread.



Its interesting to note that even with heavy doses of marijuana the players performed almost as well as or equal to straight drivers and reaction times remained excellent. I don't know about you guys but I reckon anyone stoned yet still capable of getting into a car is probably in a good enough condition to drive. When stoners are too wasted to drive they know it and will say so.
"Hey man, you drive, I'm too stoned."

Unlike those on alcohol who think they are indestructible and will drive no matter how fucked they are.
"Give me back my fucking car keys you cunt."

Its a subtle but important difference. My only problem driving stoned is that sometimes I drive too slowly not realising it. Its a lovely day in the country. Why hurry. Then a bus load of tourists will overtake with everyone laughing at me. I even got pulled up by cops once while stoned. Luckily I'd used some eye drops. I chatted amiably and he gave me a breathaliser test an away I went. It was after a festival near Nimbin and they were stopping everyone. Why I have no idea. They didn't check for pot or anything. Strawberry wine was about the only spirit going around. Maybe because I didn't look like a hippy and appeared fairly straight they just let me go. That was the first and last time I ever saw an active cop in the area except for the really obvious D's in Nimbin main street.

Awwwwwww helll nar no way , Stoned drivers are just as bad as drunk drivers . i refuse to step into the car if my cuzins had a smoke . you may think your driving better but film yourself , youll be quiet suprised .

lost way to many friends in car accidents

I've never even heard of anyone crashing as a result of stoned driving. Maybe your couzin is just a bad driver all the time.

Chong is right ... under the influence of marijuana i find im more aware of my surrounding, thats only if iv smoked a little. Its true that drunk drivers in most cases over-esstimate their driving skills while under the influence. But i guess its how responsable you are as an individual .. i myself wouldnt get into a car if i know im too stoned or drunk.

I have been stoned driving all my life, even got my driving licences (car, truck, motorbike) all while stoned.
The last 5 cars I owned have all been Jaguars with loads of power (my latest, XJR, chiptuned to 480 horsepower) and In Europe, Germany and such, the traffic is known to be fast (no limits) and very busy. And I love to drive fast too, VERY fast. (250 km/h and up)
Still, I drive for more then 25 years now without any accidents and my insurance company has rewarded me with an 80% discount on my annual payment, for as long as I stay accident free.

What about that uh? I'm the living prove there's no harm at all to smoke and drive.

Of course, some folks are bad drivers, stoned or not stoned, I realise that too, those people shouldn'd drive stoned, or sober, for that matter.

a friend of mine actually did her phd on the effects of marijuana on motor skills.
Her study showed that smoking did actually improve the skills of most drivers, making them more aware and careful. BUT there reaction times were still slowed a little and it was more difficult for them to react to the OTHER dickheads on the road driving like manics. So, generally you drive better when stoned but may not be able to react fast enough to avoid the other ppl driving like morons.

playing playstation and driving are different things.

The more cones you have in PS2 the better you go, but drivings a different story.

I remember once a dumb surfy idiot friend and I were driving along when I said "arent we on the wrong side of the road?" "oh yeah" and we cruise back over the top of the island in centre of road. Came out too late on a roundabout.

secondly stoned drivers suck, follow any tourist from nimbin and you'll see how true it is, stuck going 50 behind a car tha hardly stays between the lines ands slows down for slight corners.

once we got a guy on mushies for his first time and got him to drive us around, he got his mum and dads mitsubishi about 2ft in the air. but we made him stop when he said "is the road sposed to be melting?"

They also put that article in a magazine called "Men's Health"

This would make an excellent poll.

Driving stoned is soooo much safer than being drunk, and at least equaly safe as being straight. When you're driving stoned your more relaxed, calm, and aware of every thing. When im driving stoned i dont feel the need to hurry to where i need to go, and take the time to be more aware of what im doing. Sure people who are just getting high for their first say 15-20 times cant do it, but for the expierenced smokers or connasures the obvious tolerance and change of the actual stoned mindset makes it easy and safe to drive while stoned.

i also think you are a better driver when you are stoned.

its the paranoia of not wanting people to notice you that gets you thinking about road rules.
when your drunk you show off and drive too aggresively sometimes past your ability.

although when i started smoking i would never drive stoned because as a newbie mj was extremely trippy but as time went on it got more mellow and i wasnt concentrating on my thoughts so much anymore but my surroundings. So now i drive, but partly coz i smoke more now so sometimes i kinda have no choice.

Hey guys any way you could post the acutla Links for the Driving Studies ???

I can't seem to get them from the Paper on line.

I am involved in a Driving and Smoking Issue coming up in Canada in April and would love to print this one out and give it to everyone there...

Thanx waaaayy in advance guys...

Love and a Squish,
Ali
xx

Now that is Interesting..... But Video Games are one thing and driving for real is another... Id like to see the same test done in a controled inviroment with real cars on a real track....

Using any drug and then driving is not really a good thing to do.
People tend to forget that pot slowns down thinking and dont forget that it is a mind altering drug after all.

Nah better off not driving when stoned or anytime afterwards.
I also was of the mind that it made me a better driver because I was more paranoid about what can happen etc, The fact remains though it does alter your normal thinking and although you might be more aware that theres a car about to move in front of you, it actually takes longer to respond to this physcially.



Mate I have, I used to work for a company that had tow trucks and we saw heaps of smashs come in from stoned drivers. The cars always stunk of pot and had bongs and shit in them, and on one occassion the guy admtted that he had been driving stoned.
I once had to pick pieces of a 5 yr old up off the road because some asshole drove stoned and fell asleep.Thats something I will NEVER forget.


Not half as many as from alcohol though.

S'pose, there has to be limit of what is TOO stoned to drive, I myself, although not proud of the fact, was unconsious at the wheel once when I had some bad weed that must have been laced with god knows what, probably fly spray.

I spewed once I fell out of the car though, and I hadn't even had anything to drink. Scared shit outta me.

If yer gonna smoke and drive, take it easy.

Ferenge, I too have a friend who has been out of towing for a while. He was Sydney based and often used to get upset, as he had a little girl die in his arms whilst her mother was slowly dying in the car next to them
and whenever he came across accidents that the driver was pissed or allegedley stoned, he would be upset.

Be sensible with the driving, cause when ya really ripped, it can fuck with ya perspective and peripheral vision etc

Cheers,

LF

:: @ "is the road supposed to be melting" !
I tend to drive really slowly and carefully when stoned, but I've been told I'm more of a hazard driving like that, so I try to avoid it.

Theres driving with a mild buzz, then theres driving wasted. :thumbdown

Anyone driving when theyre f**cked up on any drug is irresponsible & needs a good kick up the arse

Hey,

I posted it under International Marijuana Laws, but the Germans made some revisions to their laws: Usually, any trace of THC in your blood will result in serious trouble and taking away of your licence, but now it is going to change finally.

Maybe, other European countries will follow this example. The annual report of the International Control Board of Narcotics, which was published on the 2nd of March, hopefully inspires politicians to finally do something: There it says, that during the last year, 28,5 Million Europeans- which is over 5 & of the population, smoked dope, another piece of evidence that repressive drug politics only exaccerbates the existing problems instead of fighting them.

Greetings from the other part of the globe

Rheinpirat

Cannabis/Driving Studies

Australia: No Proof Cannabis Put Drivers At Risk (2001)
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n1849/a09.html
UK: Cannabis May Make You A Safer Driver (2000)
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00/n1161/a02.html
University Of Toronto Study Shows Marijuana Not A Factor In Driving Accidents (1999)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...90325110700.htm
Australia: Cannabis Crash Risk Less: Study (1998)
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v98/n945/a08.html
Australia: Study Goes to Pot (1998)

i myself have always been a good driver on weed. when i first started driving "high", i wasn't as good a driver as when i was "straight". i do think i was more cautious though, i would drive a little slower and always check my mirrors etc. these days i'm a better driver when i'm high. i don't think it gives me super powers, i just think it gives me more patience and concentration etc. fatigue is one of the most common reasons for speeding, and i'm never fatigued when i'm on a good high. there have been many tests in several countries on this subject, and a large majority of them give us the green light. GREEN, hehehe.