how much of a concern is it chatting to stoners on msn? Is it easy to trace/hack your system through msn and doesn Integrity Messenger solve these problems?

There is a large stoner network developing on msn, maybe we should all think about moving to integrity messenger? I'm not concerned with someone outside monitering conversations, I'm concerned about whoever I happen to be chatting with. Never know who the hell they are really.

How does integrity network..work?

integrity messenger
sucka ass was so fucken unstable on my pc i run windows xp an i dont htink id use it again lack of good features an not the layout

Bb

I don't think that the Queensland Police would have the time or resources to lurk on a US site in the hope of getting into a conversation with a Qld stoner who would be willing to give his details to some other "stoner" whom he has never met before. Just take basic security precautions and you shouldn't have a problem with any lurking LEO's. ::

Its being too Paranoid that WILL get you caught,

not a internet unless your dumb enough for it to have personal info on it or on your computer,

If your worried then go through a proxy,
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which ever way i look at it if were goin to get hacked then we are goin to get hacked and nothing can save us.

But really who would go to all this trouble to hack our systems??

just be careful what you tell people and youll be fine i think.

cheers

drummerlars

the worst hackers are school kids, ;(

exactly, I didn't say I was worried about police. I am worried about some stupid idiot accessing my details then phoning crime stoppers or something.

The original question still stands, how easy is it to hack another person's system through MSN?

msn is fairly ok ... just dont run any exe's somebody sends you...
the older versions of msn were kinda unsecure... but the newer ones are ok...
if your really worried.. use trillian.. it hasnt got any ms code in it... and was couldnt catch that virus early msn's could... (oh and you can use msn, yahoo,icq and irc all in the same program) not too shabby.. but its sounds are annoying

also... most ppl who 'hack your pc' are kids.. they cant actualy get at your files.. most of em just want to crash your pc.. cus thats 'cool' even if they can get at your files... most of the time they are just looking for games or porn or passwords.. or you know things they can use .. like credit card numbers... most of em arent australian...
also as far as i know.. cops arent allowed to 'hack your pc' fullstop... tho im not sure about when its dealing with computer crime.. but since growing pot isnt computer crime...

also if your worried about things still... try chatting on irc (just to each other not in the channel) but use a program called 'pure noise' (if its still around) its like 3000bit encryption for irc... works good...

So really... anybody who is still worried has watched hackers one two many times

cool, thanks mate

I think if you go back through some of my posts, I've already pointed out that msn, among the other msgs, is extremely easy to hack.
Hotmail, and Yahoo, are probably the highest hacked, and icq.
Just take precautions to make sure your pc is as secure as possible, and don't store personal or incriminating information on your comp. Easy.
Everything is hackable just about

well hacking msn isnt as easy as you make out....
we are talking the Messenger program right...
most of the 'hacks' rely on stupid operators more than anything...
its not like msn opens heaps of ports you can just connect to and have your way with....
hotmail is a different kettle of fish.. but then again dont use it.. you dont have to use a hotmail account on msn.. i dont....
icq is a different kettle of fish.. it actually connects inter machine... so im not going to comment on it... but like i said most of these 'hacks' arent 'hacks' but just stupid things that
a) crash your pc
crash your pc
c) crash your pc
but if they do acutally get you to run something (as msn is easly manipulated once they are ON your pc allready) its a different story....

everything is hackable?... hmmm dunno what you base that on.. but sure why not...

well beleve me or not... thats your choice, but sys. admins tend to know what they are on about.. we have to..

forced crashs and shit are a pia, but I think what people were trying to say was that the messengers allow access to private information, ie some dog could find out who you are and ring crimestoppers.

Exactly.
No offence, but system admins are usually the most ignorant when it comes to security, why i'm not sure.
I have said numerous times, if you're careful and use the right software, you don't really have to worry about it. I don't think many ppl here would have anything much of interest on their systems, besides credit card details or that sort of personal info. Stuff that isn't really smart to store on your pc anyway, but believe me. Msn is hackable, don't kid yourself into thinking it's not.
What cracks me up, is that most stuff microsoft brings out is usually hacked before the release ::

hmmm well im not going to take that as a personal snipe...



well the only real way is through the user 'phonebooks' they have... Which are optional... thats a no brainer... but this crazy idea you all seem to keep holding on to is that hacking is so easy... past stupid crashes... most of it isnt... yall just need to chill the hell out... also if your on dial up... almost no worries at all...


if they wanted that.. there are waaaaay easyer ways to get it .



Like i said before... how do you hack something that doesnt open ports, or allow you to use it to control your pc... and as far as i know msn 6 has had 1 DOS Atack and thats it.... wow so insecure (insert sarcasm).... if you can show me one document stating otherwise... (and not that missenterpreted microsoft messaging exploit) my hat will go off

Google Search: Is msn 6 hackable?
securehack Take yourself into the msn tools section
Need I say more...........?

You would have to be very naive to believe that anything on the net is secure, especially a Microsoft product. :: :: ::

The best way to find out about someone or get into someones box is by social engineering and the persons inability to keep their mouth closed.
Everyone likes to boast about themselves eg. what they've got or what they can do then, with a little prompting and false envy its quite easy to extract information from them
Ever heard of the "good cop bad cop" method?...get someones trust and criticise their enemies and they will reveal all.

Pipeman, I recon you leave Ed Rosenthal for dead when it comes to growing MJ....tell me, ...what school did you go to? It must have been very exclusive for you to be so smart

hit the nail on the head buddy. most of the time your worst enemy is yourself. I reckon if I wanted to I could easily track down a number of board members based on nothing more than what they have posted and/or said in private conversation. Like we often say, our real protection is that generally its not worth the cops time to ferret out personal growers. Usually personal growers are only busted by accident, or some anally retentive inbred asshole feels the need to nark on somebody.

heheh that msn section... not really hacks half of it.. and the rest.. only work on 4.0 versions... check a real page like neworder... one with actuall documents not just cruddy 'talk while offline' apps... they arent hacks or exploits.... where as buffer overrun exploit in msn would be a worry... (i know it was in msn 4.0 ) that page apears to be a great place ... if your a script kiddy
also half of those apps will stop working... Neworder link
cus of this... if you dont understand that.. basicly ms tightend up the secruity on the messenger.. meaning soon (like days) everything bar msn messenger will be unable to chat on there network...

but hell yeah about ms products... most are so full of holes.. occasionaly they get it kinda right... and with the sheer usage of msn messenger.. they actually tried.. and came up with something that (im talking version 6) has 1 documented problem.. and its just a crappy dos that freezees your pc...

also about the keeping your mouth shut... one of the stupidist things i ever heard about happened to a guy i knew ages ago.. he logged all his irc chats.... his mum stumbled onto them... and thinking he was talking about 1 plant called the cops on him.. to scare him or something but. he had a sog, a large one... he got done so badly....

Ok firstly the theory behind how easy it would be to pick up on things said is scary but to be honest you have next to nothing to worry about in this particular case . If cops are infiltrating your group it will be in the form of a member other than that they need a warrant to actually monitor your activities other wise it is a major invasion of privacy and anything they find they could never use in any court case against you. thje people who have these warrents placed on them are mostly Hackers, virus writers, Warez Server ownerz ect ... who don't cover there tracks enough to hide there IP


so to answer as to weather they could do it the answer is yes they could steal and save conversations easly but this rule applies to Any chat app that uses main servers as well so the only reall safe way would be to get a server set up and create a chat client for it that way the owner of the server is in the end the only one who could ever hand over records of conversations and there is no law saying that they have to keep them

but as I stated before they don't really look for stoneres

msn rules all the way if you want to reach me my addy is executioner_70@hotmail.com

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..... I cant believe that guys mum dobbed him in , what a bitch!!

For starters, XP sucks.

*goes on and continues reading future posts*

Well it looks like people were talking about little weenies with nothing better to do other than piss people off.


Yeah, once again.. the kiddies with nothing better to do than annoy people.. If any Leos were to get involved, Do you actually think they would do it breaking the law? ..



You got my vote.

here here you don't even need those specs to setup a great firewall just don't run an x-windows ... I am very much into recycling old machines, for firewalls honeypots, proxies, tiger box's , virus test pods and the occational wargame , I am a slackware and BSD person myself but debian is a great distro

with all the security in the world you shouldn't feel 100% safe , something like a well designed firewall will keep out the " script kiddies " and allot of other hackers too but in the end your still vulnerable to a person who truely knows what they are doing ,
The good news is that most of those people don't give a damn about an end user so they see no need to attack you unless they are directly provoked..

for starters...
Meh to BSD.
But correct, You do not need an Xwin system to monitor and stop potential security threats.

Pure, You're turning me on. Honeypots? What! What are they running? .. Can I have a play?

As for most other things mentioned in this post..

Script kiddies, You need not worry about these little packet kiddie tards unless you piss them off via a medium such as IRC.

Most the time intruders are from software which YOU install. That includes porn sites that you goto which ask you to "Download this special program before you can view our site" ..

Anyway, Im half cut, In need for some green.. Maybe ill finish this off later if anyone actually thinks it needs to be finished..

to each their own I tend to belive that the choice of linux, unix, bsd, or other when deciding on a nix system should be based on the machine and on what purpose the machine is serving on the network or in the home

shhh. I was half drunkard that night ;P.. But meh to bsd anyway *sober*

:whistling

uh..imsecure by zonelabs anyone?

if u and your patner have it, it encrypts conversations making them secure/unreadable

I use zone alarm and Its pretty good, I knew a guy that claimed to be a systems analyst try and hack through it. He couldnt so it must be ok.

No offence to your friend but if he couldn't get in then he is not that great at penetration testing

software firewalls have holes and can be exploited fairly easly plain and simple, doesn't matter what firewall application you use there are security holes to be exploited in them all.

I recomend people using them and not afraid to dive in a lttle to have a look into moving away from just the default firewall settings as there are quite a few things you can do to make it that much harder to accsess your machine wihtout permission

people using sygate for instance I always reccomend that they enable dll authentification as this helps stop a few little problems that a couple of the software firewalls have

don't get me wrong I use software firewalls on my pc's but that is in conjunction with a whole lot more :sly


Edit: Tabanacle encryption software writen for the masses is good to a certain extent the problem comes if someone has the encryption key they have every word that your hiding and people like zonelabs use common encryption keys

As I would say, Your friend couldnt hack his way out of a wet paper bag.

I would agree,