i think that what has happened over at OG is something all internet uses should be worried about. when using oz stoners, use an IP anonymizer just to make sure

go to zdnet.com and search downloads for anonymizer and you will find many. u can use them for the trial period then when it expires just download a different one . they hide your IP address. for example

right now keepleft is in columbia

Congratulations! IP Address Changed

Your new fake IP address is: 63.245.102.104. Fake IP address location: Colombia .

To use this new fake IP address, you must stay within this web browser window. Switching to other windows reverts back to original IP address, please be careful.

But it is for this very reason that LEO could not go after growers based on IP addys.
They are to easy to fake, so they really wouldn't hold up in court, or really shouldn't
be enough for a warrent to search, even when coupled with pictures (that could have come from anywhere) :smoke

make sure you disable java

Is it really as easy as that? Or are IP's really traceable when using masked/anon ip's? :scratchin
I wish I could just be invisible altogether
I think if you're smart enough, you can be. I'm too stoned to be invisible ::

I came in on the same columbian ip so i guess its up to Pure to let us know.


Your IP: 63.245.102.104, your Host: 63.245.102.104
IP Address Location Test N1 Results: IP Address Location Test N2 Results:
Address: Numero 18-168

City: Medellin

State/Province: Antioquia

Country: CO - Colombia

Address N1

Address: 15950 West Dixie Highway

City: North Miami Beach

State/Province: FL

Zip/Postal Code: 33162

Country: US - United States

Address N2

Address: Calle 12 sur , Numero 18-168

City: Medellin

State/Province: Antioquia

Country: CO - Colombia

Give this website a whirl postman & keepleft, you might be surprised

http://www.stayinvisible.com/cgi-bin/iptest.cgi

I thought i was browsing from Holland untill this site gave me my real IP

Like I said in my earlier post, if you think your browsing 'anonymously', check if your java is turned on or off. If its on, chances are you arent 'anonymous'.

But, if you disable Java half the shit you do on the internet doesnt seem to work so its a toss up between the two. EXAMPLE: I'm browsing OS now, and only half the sig pictures and smilies are showing, some of them are only showing the eyes, and some only the faces. I'm using Tor if that means anything to anyone. Go figure :scratchin

How do you temporarily disable Java (Sun) in XP?

Can't get this working so far, but haven't found the setting to disable Java.

both of your ip's as they are on the database are what you say they are however with the right authority I would just trace back from that

many many proxies will simply lead the searcher back to yourself with somethign as trivial as a tracert with a large time out to get passed those longer gap bumps

Back to square one again. Thanks Nugget and Pure.

Is there any such thing as an anonymous program thats available?.

You have to go into your browser options to disable Java.

So Pure, from what ive read about this Tor program, it seems to keep you pretty well anonymous as long as java is disabled. Are you saying that it does'nt, cos you can just trace my real IP through all the proxies anyways?

If you want a link to the program to see how it works, i created a thread about it yesterday, theres a couple in there :thumbsup.

More details plz. I'm an activist but there's proud and then there's stupid.....

I love sharing knowledge but wouldn't do time for it if it can be avoided. I've done time for weed. It's not cool.

So, can we really find anonymity?

You guys got a state I can move to and grow in without it being illegal??

I'm a builders hand too - gimme a job and a legal growspace I'll do a 44 gallon DWC Aquaponic planter with a freakin tree in it hehe.

Here's another free anonaminity tester you can keep in your favorites folder for when you need it.
http://www.geobutton.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation
I use a proxy switcher program (had to buy it ) and it will download up to 2000 free proxies and sort them out for response time, whether they are secure, private, dead, anonymous, SSL or dangerous.
It also shows the flag of the country your comming from....my favorite is The islamic republic of Iran ::
http://www.proxyswitcher.com

people may be interested in the fact that the 420 crew database ip's are to be wiped every 5 mins and replaced with 420.420.420.420 atm I am just finnishing it off so that it only effects certain groups but will anounce it when it's done

if you are after true anomity on the site then I would probably sugest that path , as it is as fake as you can get ( manually added numbers to a database that don't atually exist means that there is no path to trace at all ) short of that it is technicly possible to trace you no matter what path you use to the server all the changes is the amount of work envolved ( which minds you is a nice fuckoff to anyone that doesn't have the authoraty to get the logs from the proxies

Go the 420crew :thumbsup :smoke


Couldn't you always just use a fake ID, to sign up with an ISP?

Then even if the IP is traced back to the ISP, they would just hand over the fake details to LEO?

Timing based attacks, eh pure?

Anyway, if enough people fake their IPs, are the LEO going to sift through reams of fakes, to get the legitimate IP addresses of a couple of smokers and personal growers?

For my tax dollars sake, I sincerely hope not.

I can honestly say that none of you should be targets at all

we watch the grows posted here and the vast majority are not very large at all, and definatly not enough to bother with the amoutn of warrants it woudl take to bust you all , particularly when they can see how unworth it it is ,

the people they get interested when they go after sites like OG are the owners not the everyday members , unless that membr gives them reason to , ie posting somethign that is clearly a big money venture not your average joe growing a few plants to keep himself/ herself from runnign out

but if your anonymous proxy is based in say columbia - i would imagine that the authorities in aus or the us wouldn't have the jurisidiction to access the information required to trace back to your actual ip? correct me if im wrong

Well there you have it.....and all thanks to Pure for watching our backs,
good onya mate :thumbsup

Also note that using an unencrypted IP anonymiser doesn't stop your ISP from intercepting your traffic as it enters their network from your computer. If it's not encrypted, it's all a bit pointless unless you're trying to hide from the website itself or fear that a warrant will be served on the website to collect logs and IPs.

If the last two points are not really a concern, say if the logs don't record IPs or as Pure suggested they are overwritten, then really by using an anonymiser you're only opening up yourself to more men in the middle who can intercept and read your traffic.

In the end good security requires efforts made at every level from your own PC to the end website and every hop in between (encryption). It's a chain and it's only as good as its weakest link.

Thats good enough for me Pure !

canny ask if the servers are safe (ie location weise)? (

You would be incorrect , but not because of the jurisdiction train of thought ( as that is a grey area considering your traveling over international lines )

Many of these third world countries cannot run as proxies if the us say Black listed them from the united states back bone of the internet , leaving you crippled from visiting MANY websites , there are very few proxies that will not give out your info to authorities , most of them even clearly state it in their terms , the purpose of the anon proxies out there is to make your actual " browsing " safer , meaning that places will not be able to gather true data about you, and places like google don't see where a search is comming from, so from webmasters ect your ip , os , browser ect is protected. but for someone who was doing an investigation on you they would quite easly follow the tracks back and find you it may take longer than sittign and doign a scan but it still gets to you in the end

I have seen some pretty clued up people think up ways of getting totally anonymus AND IT DOESN"T HAPPEN , the best i have seen is a person who was set up so he/she had a minimum hour notice if the day ever came , and with what he was into that was enough time, for any of us it's enough to run, clean up or get in a few more cones

these days you could probably make that hour a good 4 hours buy car but meeh there are other factors involved and liek I said it's HIGHLY unlikely they will ever be interested in any of you

Only way to browse 100% securely and anonymously is to boot to a CD version of Linux on a laptop and steal WLAN off someone who was silly enough to leave it unprotected.

actually that will leave an inprint of your mac address on their network ,

still defiantly traceable , how do you think they catch peopel hijackign connections ( and yes they do bust them or at least try and police it )

If I was the person who's network you where usign it woudl take nothign more than a click of a few buttons to record your every keystroke and packet send / recived and I would know as soon as your mac hit my network

a very important rule in security is to never try and achieve security buy puttign a signal in the air that anyone can grab if your connecting to an unprotected network with no encryption then you will recive exactly that yourself

i never liked the anonymiser anyway! makes my net too slow! thanks pure

:: :: you were the one who posted it up in the first place man, like it was a good idea ....three pages later ... i never liked.... ::

more cones please :smoke

I'm with Frazz
I'd goe for a couple of last cones myself.

Pure, I'm a network admin and I would have your mac address in my logs too. But if someone has set up their WLAN unprotected, do you think they will notice? I don't.

And second hand wireless equipment? Computer markets? Trading post? And they have to FIND your laptop. If you're paranoid enough to be booting into Linux on a CD and using someone elses connection, you hide your laptop too, I'm assuming.

And I don't ALWAYS agree with encrypting traffic - I think it draws more attention. And those whose attention it draws have computing power that can crack those ciphers faster than you and me could smoke a noice big fat jamaican style White Whino spliff.

What are we talking about again?

MACs are trivially spoofed.



Err

Think what you will about the difficulty of tracking somone but it is exactly as hard as narrowing a radio signal which since the 70's has been a peice of piss

it doesn't matter what hardware you use or where you buy it if it all leads to you anyways, the purpose of my mac comment was to note that you are not an anonymous party , and therefore it probably shouldn't be reccomended as a way of surfign anonymously , also buy putting yourself onto someones network you are opening yourself up to the risk of gettign caught for that ( which is a minor offece first time IF the network is unprotected ) however that bust will likely also lead to you being busted for cannabis aswell

just my 2 cents

and I have to agree with niall , the old school theory of not encrypting because it attracts attention is not so much a relevance anymore, more and more people are switchign to a more secure way of browsing and also comunicating in general , so really you will just be another packet on the web to them unless they are investigatign you in which case I hate to say it but enjoy yourself cause they are only gathering evedence, the trivial things like who you are and where you live ect they are already aware of but if you don't do things like hijack somones wireless network the chances of this happenign as VERY minimal unless you are clearly a drug dealer or comercial grower to them

kismet anyone?

http://kismetwireless.net

has anyone used Tor and Privoxy?
it seems to be pretty nice
http://tor.eff.org/

I use TOR and Privoxy occasionally, but it's _VERY_ slow.

You ppls are way way too paranoid
Who got busted at OG ? They got paranoid and bailed as far as I know after Marc Emery went down.
Marc Emery 's customer list was seized and dummy emails were sent to some of his customers gettin them to reconfirm seed orders and hopefully give the DEA enought info to make arrests which never happened.
If you are worried about getting busted for weed then you need to know a rule only us old growers abide by
DO NOT TELL ANYONE.................
Net or real life it's just common sense
It's not against the law to talk about weed in forums , it is illegal to supply info on the manufacture of drugs though .......well in QLD I beleive last time I sussed the ICAAN rules.
If you have dial up you get a new I.P every time you dial in , I have never worried about all this masking and crap the net is too big to police unless they are directly targetting a site.
The only pot sites I've seen go down in Australia were ones that used a .com.au address which brings your site content under scrutiny from ICAAN , bad move if you are considering doin this , just get a lousy .com addy
Over the years in my public chatrooms at Yahoo and Paltalk there has never been any problems with cops stalking the room and busting ppl and I'm sure at one stage or another they would have sussed my group right out, I even had a war with the Yahoo techs at North Sydney trying to get rid of me from the chat system by manually shutting whatever room I made , but with so many memebers able to re make the room under different names and in different sections they gave up eventually
Mind you I do cloak my websites details from WHOIS searches and it's all registered under fake names and paid with dodgy Paypal accounts hehe
We encourage our chatters to get on the mic and let a bong rip as our way of saying " fuck you I can do what I want to ! " 6 years on were are still doing it

Thats why we are still free

Would a .org be any safer???

every time you turn your modem off and on you get a new ip as well dont you? i think the same as mulcontent DO NOT TELL ANYONE................. works for me............as for the law if they want to spend bulk money on an investigation on my grow, i would be the most boring surveilance out!!! keep quiet...tell no one...dont be greedy...live with in your normal means...dont deal with hot shit or chemicals...pay your bills...and everything should be ok...again "works for me" been in this for over 20 years and only have 1 pot related history( because of someone elses stupidity) and 1 amphetamines related history( because of my stupidity, not touched for nearly 10 years now but) anyway enough for now stay smashed....

A .org addy is used mainly by groups who are non profit , to get one you must give details of your organisation if you register one through an aussie registrar , way to much info for my liking , just go to go-daddy.com and get a .com addy most of my mates who run stoner websites are registered there and for an extra few bucks they will cloak your details from a WHOIS scan ( name email phone etc )
.net URLS are also good to get if you don,t like .com but this is the most recognised url these days and ppl will remember the extension more often than a .biz , .info addy
happy to help with any related questions

Thanks Mul,

420med.com sounds a shitload better than .tk with a free host.

Thanks heaps buddy.

ps- hows rippy?

yeh those nasty .tk addies are favoured by spammers and hacking websites ....
420med.com sounds pro looking foward to seeing your efforts ( also Go Daddy gives you a free hosting account and email forwording etc )
I found this new aussie site under construction a couple of nights ago http://hempdownunder.inya-face.com/compone...ntpage/Itemid,1
looks interestin
Rippy is well and cavorting in a grassy knoll near you hehe
Ripisode 5 has been finished for a couple of weeks now but I promised Stickypoint mag I wouldn't upload it til the next issue comes out , it's fucking killling me , anyway soon as it rolls off the press I'll post the URL here as I always do

High Stoners!

Agree with ya there Mully

If you're paranoid don't leave anything on ya computer that's sensitive or ya don't want seen
I'm only a newbie as far as computers go and I love to surf the web but I try to take whatever
precautions I can and so far have only intercepted 2 trojans (1 from this site as well )

Commonsense and yeah don't draw attention to yaself and if in doubt DON'T CLICK IT!

Happy Highs to All

this site doesn't use any sort of malware, spy ware , Trojans ect all we set is a cookie to allow you to use the forums as yourself and thats it.

what is more likely is that someone tried to access a Trojan or root kit already on your machine whilst you where surfing this site and the attempt was recognized and blocked

Thanks Pure! That puts my mind at rest

Those "root kits" sound bloody nasty. Is there any way to stop them gettin into my PC?
I've got Norton and Sygate on my machine. Is that enough? Any ideas would be appreciated.

Evryone I know have had problems with Norton after a while it just slows ya pc down no end I had it and got rid of it like many have
As for paranoid firewall programs sendin you a report on every little " attack " ( which could be your isp pinging you to see if you are still online or when you look at at someones webcam on certain messenger programs for example ) this will eventually become a bore and fucking annoying plus adding to ones paranoia
Windows Firewall is all you need really , get the latest update for Internet Explorer with its new security features ( phishing wesite checker very cool )
Enable it all in your security center if you have XP
Heres my tips on my site http://www.potrevolution.com/tech.html , don't be alarmed if you go there and yer firewall sends messages like "ooo someone is tryin to acess info from your pc " it's called a cookie and it's so I can tell how many vistors I get and what page you looked at , most sites have this it's part of the internet

ahahahahah good call!!!!
i think a lot of people use the term paranoid when they mean to say carefull!!!
hahahaha
damn im out..........ive been straight all weekend.

Try Zonealarm and a good quality router..............thats zonealarm security sweet
its great for online gaming too, AND NEVER USE MSN or ANY microcrap products if you can avoid it.
Instead of Office use Openoffice
Instead of Outlook use Thunderbird
Instead of Explorer use Firefox
and ultimately when your used to those programs......... instead of windows use linux

always weirds me out reading the junk PC users have to use to get a secure system.
us Mac users have never seen worms/viruses/etc & never have to use stuff like Norton/etc instead of our onboard firewalls.
i run my computers & xbox360 24/7 in DMZ w' no worries about security.
granted, that doesn;t stop someone seeing ur IP/etc but unless ur into kiddie porn or selling seeds or whatever imo it's no biggie.
i'd just use a proxy set-up if i was totally paranoid.

i swear, if Macs were cheaper & all PC users were taught how to use a Mac OS (OSX/etc) there would be very few PC users out there except the gamers & Bill Gates fanbois.
plenty decent apps PC users are into were Mac/Linux apps to start with.
i love MS though coz they gave me xbox & xbox360 which are the best online gaming consoles on the market today.

I'll stick to my ms suite of progs thanks I am running XP and they all integrate nicely .........
I've never had any probs with my setup and mind you I do own a rather large pot website which is always under attack from hackers and spammers and who knows what.
Still here after 6 years and near 300,000 visitors to www.potrevolution.com
spare me the paranoia