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WantDaChronic
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Actor Arnold Schwarzenegger, now the Governor of California, is determined to stamp out film piracy for good.  Schwarzenegger, whose own films are readily available online and on pirated DVDs, is hoping to utilise his new power as a politician to squash bootlegs forever.

Schwarzenegger and fellow action-movie star Jackie Chan are going to headline a series of commercials that pleads with the movie lovers not to buy, sell distribute or download pirate films.  It's believed that Schwarzenegger wants to remind people that Governments can easily track down who has been pirating movies and distributing them on the internet or on the streets.

What internet users don't relise is that if they'ree using a download programme that runs on BitTorrent, they can easily be tracked down.  BitTorrent developer Bram Cohen, who opposes unauthorised downloading, says he's "been telling people all along that it's a bad idea to distribute illegally.  BitTorrent wasn't made for that purpose and it's a bad tool for that purpose."  According to Cohen, users of the software must go through a central web server, making it easy to track them.

"Online pirates are proving very resourceful, but so are we." John Malcom, director of the worldwide anti-piracy operations at the Motion Picture Association of America, told the Arkansas Democrat Gazette.

In November, a man from Hong Kong was jailed for three for using BitTorrent to share films, and he won't be the last.

Some good news this month though: one of the most popular downloading dens, Grokster, was closed for good.  The Site, which encourages the illegal downloading and sharing of pirate films, was ordered to pay US$50 million and to shut down its operations to settle a piracy lawsuit filed by the music industry and Hollywood movie studios.

Think before you press that 'download' button.


Source: January issue of Blockbuster Entertainment magazine page 13 (the magazine from blockbuster with all the movies they are getting in that month)
nugget
thanks, good read.

My opinion on this:

No single person or company, not even the terminator :laugh.gif: will ever 'stamp out' piracy. 'They' (the people who 'pirate' movies) are too smart, and keep coming up with new and different ways to distribute their 'pirated material'. They (the 'pirates') dont use bittorrent to spread the movies either, the people using bittorrent to download their movies are the last of the 'download chain'. Granted ALOT of people use bittorrent to download stuff, but thats not going to stop the problem at all.

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BitTorrent developer Bram Cohen, who opposes unauthorised downloading, says he's "been telling people all along that it's a bad idea to distribute illegally.  BitTorrent wasn't made for that purpose and it's a bad tool for that purpose."


This coming from one of the most popular and widely known (albeit now closed down) piracy sites around (suprnova). :laugh.gif:

I'm all for being able to download a movie, and if you enjoy the film going out and buying it on DVD or seeing it at the cinemas. But, i definitely dont agree with people downloading movies and going out and making money by selling them to other people, that way theyre only profiting themselves and the people who made the films get nothing.

my 2c.

arrrrr :laugh.gif:

edit: bloody spelling
WantDaChronic
funny thing is, just before i read that article, i started downloading another 2 movies :whistling

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I'm all for being able to download a movie, and if you enjoy the film going out and buying it on DVD or seeing it at the cinemas. But, i definitely dont agree with people downloading movies and going out and making money by selling them to other people, that way theyre only profiting themselves and the people who made the films get nothing.


in reality, all the people involved in the making of movies have been paid by the time it gets released...pirating movies only makes major companies lose out on money and to be honest, i'd rather give a friend with a dvd burner my money instead of an american company, the way i look at it, its actually helping the australian economy in that sense :laugh.gif:

spose people like george lucas would miss out a small amount of money as they have opted to take a percentage of profits instead of a fixed price, but those people are rich enough and IMO we should be helping fellow aussies who are much less well off :smoke
Infinitee
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Schwarzenegger and fellow action-movie star Jackie Chan are going to headline a series of commercials that pleads with the movie lovers not to buy, sell distribute or download pirate films.  It's believed that Schwarzenegger wants to remind people that Governments can easily track down who has been pirating movies and distributing them on the internet or on the streets.


That is just so typical, Terminator 1, 2 & 3 and the hard to get Jackie Chan classics make up about 95% of my burned movie collection.
Now I've got Mr Universe and Mr Chong after me. rolleyes.gif

Jackie Chan of all people should know better, most of his movies are nearly impossible to buy, of course it's going to get copied.

If there's a movie (music cd/game etc.) that's good enough i'll go out and buy it, if everyone had that idea, then the only people movie makers could blame would be themselves. baaasmiley.gif
Doob
haha not much is going to happen anyway, and doesnt this have to do with america only?
Anyway like what ifinitee said there are some classics that are impossible to buy.
WantDaChronic
QUOTE(Doob @ Jan 5 2006, 11:16 AM)
haha not much is going to happen anyway, and doesnt this have to do with america only?
Anyway like what ifinitee said there are some classics that are impossible to buy.
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if you read the story you would have seen this:
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In November, a man from Hong Kong was jailed for three for using BitTorrent to share films, and he won't be the last.
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Buddy
I will do whatever it takes to deprive the likes of Shwartzenegger, Willis, Chan and other multi millionaire two bit actors who peddle violence in order to become rich at the expence of society.
Too many retards have gone out and tried to immitate their violent "screen heroes" causing the death of many innocent victims :thumbdown
WantDaChronic
next you'll blame games like quake and doom for school shootings rolleyes.gif

anything like movies or games that shows violence, sex, rude language, etc. are not to blame for societies problems that reflect what are in those things...you gotta remember, those movies and games are based on the way humans have acted in the past so if you wanna blame a movie or what ever for pushing something you dont like, look at your fellow man before passing judgement rolleyes.gif
Buddy
In Great Britain Clockwork Orange was removed from theaters across the country because the government justly
illustrated there was a connection between the movie's graphic violence and an increased in violent crime rate.

Ten minutes into the movie a gang beat a helpless wino that asked them for some change. The gang then strode away as if nothing occurred. They struck him repeatedly with canes and they kicked him a few times for pleasure.

Next, the thugs went to see a rival gang. This other group was in the middle of raping a woman when they arrived They then proceeded to beat the other gang members to a pulp. Then, they went to the house of a writer, to burglarize it. While there, they brutalized the writer and his wife. The gang raped the wife in front of the writer and then started to sing "Sing'n in the Rain" as he pummeled the old man. The gangs final act of violence came at the house of a rich health spa owner.

The gang went there with the intent of robbing the place, but the woman who lived there was alert to the scheme and called the police. She attacked the gang leader and he defended himself with a sculpture of male genitalia. The fight ended when the sadistic gang leader rammed the statue in the mouth of the victim, and killed her.

These were some of the more graphic scenes, which aided Britain's decision to ban the film.

Incidents from this film triggered an onslaught of violent crimes across the country of Great Britain. Numerous copycat crimes were reported which mimicked to exact detail the grotesque murder and rape scenes found in Clockwork Orange.

The most notable copycat crime was in Britain where a woman was raped and beaten by a group of thugs who sang "Sing'n in the Rain" as they carried out their ruthless act of violence. When questioned by police, one of the thugs commented, "I got the idea to beat this b**** from a movie I saw." The movie turned out to be none other than A Clockwork Orange.

What will be next--a young girl brutally raped and killed, an innocent child tortured by ruthless sub humans, an old man shot down in cold blood? One would think a society as educated as ours would recognize the danger in glorifying these films of violence and gore. Maybe after a boys night out at the Hoyts your mother could be next.

But while the brain dead who enjoy watching torture and human suffering continue to pay millions to get their rocks off then go out and mimmick the violence, there will be any number of film makers and gutter class actors ready to take your cash.
Warped
I fucking love A Clockwork Orange.

Buddy, you obviously smoke and advocate cannabis.

Now, it's your body right? Your choice, your conscious decision. You probably get quite angry when somebody suggests an external force needs to dictate your actions in releation to this consumption. You probably feel offended.

Apply the same logic to "violent" media. A person should not be charged for comitting murder under the influence of marijuana; they should be charged for comitting murder.

If you desire a controlling agency to filter what you see, what the feeble notion of society sees, I pity you and your weakness.

Violence is a fundamental aspect of civilisation - it is force. Control is force. The popular culture appropriation of this aspect is hardly a dilemma.

Spineless cowards justifying their actions with media, and your subsequent anger towards that media, is no different to the multitude of kids who blame a bit of THC for their "psychotic episodes," whilst not mentioning the three days of speed, sleep deprivation and alcoholic binges. Which, just like you have, those who would see cannabis destroyed jump on.

Anyway im off to go kill some cops in GTA. I might go imitiate it in real life, so watch out people!
Buddy
QUOTE(Warped @ Jan 5 2006, 09:36 PM)
I fucking love A Clockwork Orange.

No shit?.....well your gonna be over the moon when they release Anita Cobby "The movie" especially the part where the Murphy brothers after tiring of anally raping her drove a knife deep into her body and fucked the wounds.

After having witnessed first hand, human beings butchering, mutilating and killing one another, I can't for the life of me understand why anyone could enjoy watching this grotesque behaviour.....we're supposed to be civilized right??
Maybe some of these obviously sick individuals need to be on the receiving end of this violence, I guarantee it will be an instant cure. dry.gif

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Buddy, you obviously smoke and advocate cannabis.

Yeah, without cannabis I would be too wracked with pain to care about what happens to the rest of the world so I use and promote it for that reason only.
WantDaChronic
people have been violent since the dawn of humanity, both men and women have raped, murdered and done terrible to one another and movies werent even around in those days rolleyes.gif

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The most notable copycat crime was in Britain where a woman was raped and beaten by a group of thugs who sang "Sing'n in the Rain" as they carried out their ruthless act of violence. When questioned by police, one of the thugs commented, "I got the idea to beat this b**** from a movie I saw." The movie turned out to be none other than A Clockwork Orange.


so that means to you that she got gang raped because that movie implanted the idea in their heads? to me, it sounds like they were raping her and 1 of those dregs of society remembered that scene and thought it would be funny which to me is sicking...regardless of wether they sung that song or not, the fact of the matter those guys had a choice to rape her or not and regardless of what you may think, no movie will brainwash a group of individuals into doing crimes like gang rape...want my proof? thousands of people must have seen that movie and that number would more than likely be in the millions by today, are all those people going out and commiting those crimes as well? well sure some of them might be, but the majority of viewers are normal people who wouldnt do anything like raping or killing someone...
Buddy
QUOTE(wantdachronic @ Jan 6 2006, 02:07 AM)
people have been violent since the dawn of humanity, both men and women have raped,
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Hey, if ya know any women who rape, I wanna be a victim :reallyexcited:
Gush
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anything like movies or games that shows violence, sex, rude language, etc. are not to blame for societies problems that reflect what are in those things...you gotta remember, those movies and games are based on the way humans have acted in the past so if you wanna blame a movie or what ever for pushing something you dont like, look at your fellow man before passing judgement


blink.gif So, if these movies/shows are just accurate reflections of society, why do they rarely portray the less appealing sides to violence......such as regret and remorse?
And why are they shown in such mass? I mean c'mon, theres only so many ways to kill a man.

The U.S has less regulations when it comes to portraying violence through media, (but more for nudity rolleyes.gif ), and is pretty much home of glorified violence.
U.S culture is also responsible for the majority of serial killers, mass murderers, rapists, pedophiles, arsenists and terrorists.

If a child watches people being chopped up, day after day, it will have an effect on said childs attitude towards violence.

Some people say that with the majority of T.V being violent, it subconsciously advocates it as an acceptable part of society.
WantDaChronic
QUOTE(Gush @ Jan 6 2006, 09:14 AM)
blink.gif  So, if these movies/shows are just accurate reflections of society, why do they rarely portray the less appealing sides to violence......such as regret and remorse?
And why are they shown in such mass? I mean c'mon, theres only so many ways to kill a man.

The U.S has less regulations when it comes to portraying violence through media, (but more for nudity rolleyes.gif ), and is pretty much home of glorified violence.
U.S culture is also responsible for the majority of serial killers, mass murderers, rapists, pedophiles, arsenists and terrorists.

If a child watches people being chopped up, day after day, it will have an effect on said childs attitude towards violence.

Some people say that with the majority of T.V being violent, it subconsciously advocates it as an acceptable part of society.
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remorse and regret for killing another person are in movies all the time, sure you get lots of movies that dont, but it honestly doesnt concern me wether they show the killer regretting their actions or not....i know the person is dead + it in no way means if i were to go out and kill someone, i would have the same reaction rolleyes.gif

as for the USA, while it has brought up alot of those dregs of society, movies are not to blame...america was founded by men who would go around killing and raping the natives while at the same time forcing them off their land....australia is no better, we were founded by a bunch of convicts and slave drivers, but do we have nearly as many problems as the usa? sure the usa has like 15x the population, but even if you divided the usa's problems by 15, australia's amount of criminals would still be way less rolleyes.gif if you wanna point fingers, look at all the people below the poverty line, all the racism, better yet, watch the american news for a few nights and you'll see why the usa is filled with by a bunch of paraniod rednecks rolleyes.gif

Buddy, there have been countless women rapists, the reason you dont hear so much about them is because what guy is gonna come forward and say he got raped by a girl? regardless of wether it was true or not, not a single person would believe a guy got raped because guys are a sexual species....while its very uncommon for a women to be a rapist in this day and age, it still happens all the time, just the ones who get caught are usually school teachers fucking some 15yo kid rolleyes.gif

i watched a movie the other night called the last horror movie, basically started off like a teen horror but 4 mins in it changes to look like some guy taped over the movie to present all his killings to the public....anyways, half way into the movie as he is about to kill a guy and a girl, he has them sitting next to each other and makes the guy with the camera face one person while he kills the other....once done he asked the camera if we were even remotely interested in seeing what he did...now does this question mean that if we are interested in seeing what he did that we are prone to becoming a serial killer too? would i be a sicko if i wanted to see? what does it mean if i didnt want to see?

look, if what you guys are trying to prove was actually real, what about the movie murder by numbers? it was seen by millions and is basically a guide on how to kill and not get caught...i dont care what you guys believe about movies, but there is a perfect example of a violent movie even with a guide on how to not get caught not having a bad effect on society rolleyes.gif
Gush
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remorse and regret for killing another person are in movies all the time, sure you get lots of movies that dont, but it honestly doesnt concern me wether they show the killer regretting their actions or not....i know the person is dead + it in no way means if i were to go out and kill someone, i would have the same reaction

Really? How can you tell how far your perception of violence has been stretched?
You are already talking about killing people tongue.gif

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look at all the people below the poverty line, all the racism, better yet, watch the american news for a few nights and you'll see why the usa is filled with by a bunch of paraniod rednecks

The news is much like the movies......full of glorified violence.


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look, if what you guys are trying to prove was actually real, what about the movie murder by numbers? it was seen by millions and is basically a guide on how to kill and not get caught...i dont care what you guys believe about movies, but there is a perfect example of a violent movie even with a guide on how to not get caught not having a bad effect on society

Most people are equipped with enough reasoning not to be influenced (too much) by a single movie. What I am saying WDC, is if people (especially youngins) are consistently exposed to hardcore violence, they will begin to develop a false perception of what is acceptable.
People in the US have been exposed to such levels for decades( through movies, music and vid games)....Do you really think it is a coincidence that the majority of yanks have become so aggressive?
nugget
QUOTE(wantdachronic @ Jan 6 2006, 02:06 PM)
i watched a movie the other night called the last horror movie, basically started off like a teen horror but 4 mins in it changes to look like some guy taped over the movie to present all his killings to the public....anyways, half way into the movie as he is about to kill a guy and a girl, he has them sitting next to each other and makes the guy with the camera face one person while he kills the other....once done he asked the camera if we were even remotely interested in seeing what he did...
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the name of this film is actually 'the last horror movie'??

I think I would like to see this film alot, sounds good biggrin.gif

and no, i wont be going off to kill some people afterwards :laugh.gif:

edit: looks like a damn good film :thumbsup http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319728/
WantDaChronic
it was a kick arse movie, i loved it :thumbsup

the one thing that could have made it better would be leaving the case of the movie as a teen horror flick instead of telling us about the actual movie, would have made it seem more real devilred.gif

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Most people are equipped with enough reasoning not to be influenced (too much) by a single movie. What I am saying WDC, is if people (especially youngins) are consistently exposed to hardcore violence, they will begin to develop a false perception of what is acceptable.
People in the US have been exposed to such levels for decades( through movies, music and vid games)....Do you really think it is a coincidence that the majority of yanks have become so aggressive?


everyone is equipped to make the decision of wether to hurt someone or not, blaming your actions on a movie, game, music or what ever you see or hear violence in is no better than having a teen busted breaking into a house blaming his actions on smoking marijuana...
willrobinson
QUOTE(wantdachronic @ Jan 6 2006, 01:35 PM)
everyone is equipped to make the decision of wether to hurt someone or not, blaming your actions on a movie, game, music or what ever you see or hear violence in is no better than having a teen busted breaking into a house blaming his actions on smoking marijuana...
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Most people in society under the right conditions are easily led and influenced, thats a fact of life. Theres been tons of studies done on this and the fact is whatever is perceived to be "normal" in society people will go along it regardless of whether it breaks previously held morality codes. Thats how the Army trains people to kill.
WantDaChronic
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Most people in society under the right conditions are easily led and influenced, thats a fact of life. Theres been tons of studies done on this and the fact is whatever is perceived to be "normal" in society people will go along it regardless of whether it breaks previously held morality codes. Thats how the Army trains people to kill.


the military breaks a person down and rebuilds them to how the military sees fit, its not like they strap them into a chair for a few days straight and constantly play scenes of people getting killed and shit to turn them into soldiers...

it really does suprise me that alot of you have no confidence in your fellow man and think that everyone else in society is basically a sheep...you know for a fact you have the choice to kill someone or not so what makes the rest of society so different?
Buddy
I think that most people who, for whatever weird reason, enjoy seeing blood, guts, torture and shoot em up "entertainment", would never contemplate going out and imitating the pschycopatic acts themselves.... but we are not all the same.
There will always be some demented individuals who get their kicks by roll playing these violent acts they see in movies or on tv and as a result, innocent people get hurt or murdered.
This doesn't seem to bother the millionaire actors and producers who peddle this garbage untill they find out their being done out of a few dollars by PIRATES ohmy.gif ......now that IS immoral.
WantDaChronic
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This doesn't seem to bother the millionaire actors and producers who peddle this garbage untill they find out their being done out of a few dollars by PIRATES ohmy.gif ......now that IS immoral.


this topic had nothing to do with violence and profits, only profits...
Buddy
QUOTE(wantdachronic @ Jan 8 2006, 12:39 AM)
this topic had nothing to do with violence and profits, only profits...
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Violence = Profits
Sorry if I'm hitting any raw nerves here. shy.gif
willrobinson
QUOTE(wantdachronic @ Jan 7 2006, 10:54 AM)
the military breaks a person down and rebuilds them to how the military sees fit, its not like they strap them into a chair for a few days straight and constantly play scenes of people getting killed and shit to turn them into soldiers...

it really does suprise me that alot of you have no confidence in your fellow man and think that everyone else in society is basically a sheep...you know for a fact you have the choice to kill someone or not so what makes the rest of society so different?
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Almost anyone can be programmed to believe violence and killing is ok, the evidence is all around. One reason why the middle east is so fucked up.
Like I said there has been a huge amount of research done on this, check it out.
We are programming our kids to believe violence is the norm. Unfortunately (violent) television has replaced religion as the opiate of the masses.
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